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Post by poncho on Tue May 23, 2017 2:18 pm

i have a kenner leia hoth

the boys on the galaxycorp fb group tell me its kenner and not pbp.

the only reason i queried it is because the torso smell like all my pbp figures.

im thinking pbp exported there over stock of parts to palitoy etc etc and this a hybrid mixed parts pbp/palitoy figure

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Post by Commander Clint on Tue May 23, 2017 3:42 pm

I'll have to check Javi's book to see if there is any information about exported figures. I'll check after work.
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Post by hellhippie on Tue May 23, 2017 9:12 pm

never heard of this . pretty cool though dude . anyways I don't see what else would explain it except a swapping of parts . ive studied Javis book and don't recall hearing of it but im sure its possible that pbp exported parts , I mean why not ?

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Post by poncho on Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:15 pm

ha ha i have proof now! that it is a spanish torso :-)....i think
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Post by Nico on Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:24 pm

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What is the COO stamp ? (just curious What a Face ) Any pics Chris Very Happy
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Post by hellhippie on Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:37 pm

Im curious as well

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Post by poncho on Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:05 pm

here is javis book talking about the 3line spanish leia hoth with its translucent pale orange torso vs the kenner slightly more intense pale orange torso. spanish is on the left

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Post by poncho on Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:15 pm

here is my 4 line coo leia hoth with a torso that smells like pbp plastic and i think is spanish pictured left . next to it is another 4 line coo leia hoth, you will notice the slight colour difference in torso and on the left i believe is translucent pale orange belonging to pbp.

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Post by poncho on Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:30 pm

here is a more damning evidence maybe.

a UV shot clearly showing a different plastic being used. my nostrills were not lying to me  the left i believe is a pbp translucent pale orange torso.

this could all be bollocks buts its interesting lol!

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Post by poncho on Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:31 pm

thoughts boys?
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Post by hellhippie on Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:30 am

Hmmm maybe its the photos dude but the boots look orange on my screen

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Post by Nico on Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:01 am

Thanks for posting pics up Chris  cheers
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The Leia on the left could have faded slightly over time, that could account for the color difference but not the PBP smell to the torso  scratch
I'm not too familiar with UV lights and exactly what that shows but it's very interesting mate, let's see what he other guys think  popcorn  
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Post by poncho on Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:26 pm

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the UV shows and glows certain plastics/material.  you will notice one has a different glow this is because its a different plastic being used

here are 2 examples from confirmed No COO scarred PBP figures from my collection vs Kenner

the pbp Dengar LEFT torso glows a brighter white on the left as opposed to the kenner on the right
the pbp LXW LEFT torso also glows more than the Kenner example

the leia hoth also glows more than its kenner partner.

so can you see where i am coming from! Very Happy

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Post by Nico on Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:36 pm

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so can you see where i am coming from! Very Happy
Got it Chris cheers Cheers bro, I love a vintage mystery mate Very Happy
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Post by poncho on Mon May 14, 2018 4:17 pm

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Post by poncho on Mon May 14, 2018 4:18 pm

can someone get dr dengar (marco??) do view this thread
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Post by Commander Clint on Mon May 14, 2018 4:26 pm

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I'll send him a message.
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Post by poncho on Mon May 14, 2018 4:56 pm

cheers clint
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Post by Dr Dengar on Mon May 21, 2018 2:28 pm

Hey Chris,

The PBP smell is very distinct for the type of plastic used in the PBP factory. Probably it is not the plastic itself that smells, but some volatile additive to increase the flexibility of the plastic (plasticizer).
PBP produced a Leia Hoth in the early era (Poch era). This figure was composed of imported plastic parts from factories in Asia, which were painted and subsequently welded in Spain. Two different variants exists for this figure. From the pic, it seems there is no match with any of the two Poch variants.  

Check out this older post on TIG to see the two Poch (early PBP) variants (scroll down a bit):

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PBP started their own plastic injection a bit later (PBP era), giving rise to a line of detailed plastic figures with that distinct PBP smell.
There was Luke Hoth, Rebel Soldier, Han Hoth, however Leia Hoth was not released in the PBP era.

So what explains the PBP smell of your figure?
I don't have a sound explanation to be honest.

Just thinking out loudly there are a few possibilities:
1) The Asian factories also used plastic with the same addiitive at some point for certain batches. Resulting in a Kenner Leia with PBP smell. There are hard torso CCP figures for instance which are Kenner. I don't know whether these have a PBP smell though.
2) Your figure was stored with PBP figures for a while. The plasticizer desorbed from the PBP figures and then absorbed into the plastic of the Kenner figure after a while.
3) Other possiblity?

By all means you made an interesting observation. And I hope we can get till the bottom of this mystery figure.

Hope this helps you a bit.

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Post by JaviSWSpain on Mon May 21, 2018 3:14 pm

It seems unlikely that PBP ever made a late PBP Leia Hoth, I mean with hard torso and limbs and scarred out CoO.
Furthermore, By the look of that plastic used on your figure, it doesn't looks hard plastic/ highly detailed (with strong smell) to me, I am sorry to say.
About that theory of exportation of "just" the torso parts, I would say it is unlikely too. It is well known that PBP exported finished figures to the Palitoy and others factories, where the figures were just packaged on the cards. As far it is known the Palitoy factory never painted or assambled figure's parts, they just imported finished figures to be packaged.
And last but not least, that figure looks totally a common Kenner figure.
It is weird thou, that you can smell the so called PBP smell on a soft torso, however, many people claim that theirs Early PBP figures has a strong smell too, which btw I have never been able to detect on any of my Early PBP( so called Poch) figures...
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Post by poncho on Mon May 21, 2018 3:47 pm

thanks for the great comments and contributions marco and javi ive been wanting you guys to chime in on this thread for a while thanks for looking at my leia :-)
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Post by hellhippie on Mon May 21, 2018 7:28 pm

Its always good to get confirmation from the most knowledgeable collectors out there . I take their words as fact.

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