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Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by StarWarsGeek1977 Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:26 pm
Hey, I went to the first showing of Rogue One last night... I won't post any details, but thought it was very good....Anyone else see it yet? Thoughts?
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Re: Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by Commander Clint Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:10 pm
I've got tickets for tomorrow night.
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Re: Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by grinchy Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:19 pm
I enjoyed it a hell of a lot,its really up there for me, need to see it again to take it all in
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Re: Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by Ian_C Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:45 am
I was exceptionally disappointed last year, but various glowing reviews from people who, like me, were not impressed with TFA have managed to change my opinion, and I now have tickets to see it tomorrow afternoon at 1:00. I'll post my review sometime tomorrow night.
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Re: Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by cantina_patron Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:20 am
I saw Rogue One yesterday and enjoyed it. I'll wait until others have seen it before making detailed comments.
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Re: Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by Sturm86 Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:53 pm
I'm using spoilers tag here for the moment, eventhough I am not telling anything about the content or the story or the plot of the movie, but just in case someone doesn't want to know anything at all about Rogue One before watching it... don't click!
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- I'm at 3 viewings now, probably will add a 4th one sometimes next week! Absolutely loved it, TFA totally bites the dust after this one though. I used to think people have been a bit harsh with the Force Awakens last year, and I know these 2 films are quite different in their way to tell the Star Wars story, but after seeing Rogue One I realized it has a lot of things TFA was missing or did wrong (and by wrong I mean : took a lot from the 3 OT movies and re-used it without much inventivity). After Rogue One, I hope ep.8 will bring a lot more than TFA did or I'll be really disappointed.
Maybe there's also the fact that I had very, very high expectations about TFA, being the next episode after so many years, telling the rest of the main story of the Skywalker family. And for Rogue One, I guess I only expected a side movie, that like an EU comic or novel, would give me more content and deeper informations about something I already know. And it totally nailed it, Rogue One does the job and is entertaining, funny, with just what's needed of drama and emotion. Some will complain it's different from a classic Star Wars film, but that's totally what this spin-off is about and that's where it works perfectly : this movie is not pretending to be what it's not.
It's like an AC/DC album. It's good, it rocks, you know the guys are not going to re-invent rock n'roll but they have some fun and they are totally into what they are doing, and it works all of the time (of course I'm not talking about AC/DC with Axl Rose
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Re: Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by Commander Clint Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:14 am
Just back from seeing Rogue One. I will definitely go to see it again. There is sooooo much going on in the back ground.
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Re: Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by Ian_C Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:50 am
I am ecstatic to say that I was completely thrilled with this movie! I was completely hesitant, considering my extreme dislike for not just TFA, but for Disney's involvement at all. I only decided to even give it a shot in the last few days, and generally never even bothered watching trailers. Boy, am I glad I did. Completely redeemed the franchise after what was, in my opinion, a pure shit show last year. Not quite on the same level as Empire, but very close, if not equal to ANH. I am a fan of the PT, and for the last decade have alternated between ANH and ROTS as my #2 SW movie, but I can definitively say Rogue One is better than ROTS. Just not sure if after 12 hours I want to put it on equal footing to ANH.
I intend to give a full review, and I like Nicolas's idea to avoid spoiling it, so my full review is contained within the spoiler tags.
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I intend to give a full review, and I like Nicolas's idea to avoid spoiling it, so my full review is contained within the spoiler tags.
- Spoiler:
- The way it starts was surprising. I was spoiled on no fanfare logo and text crawl, but in retrospect, I did look at it as separate from the main saga, so I can appreciate why they chose a different route.
One thing they did in this movie that the previous effort completely failed to do was give a backstory to our main protagonist. It let me know why she did the things she did, and ended up making me far more emotionally invested in her in the long run. I actually cared when she got upset, when she lost her father, and when she met her fate at the end.
Kassian was a character I wasn't sure about at first, but he ended up being quite a complex character. While I do have a gripe about the duo and their leap of faith to attain the DS plans being completely unrealistic, everything else about him was fantastic. The emotional turmoil he felt when faced with assassinating Jyn's father, and his journey from his first scene to his last one showed character development beyond even most OT characters.
The reference to the Whills was a very nice touch. They just gave it as a throwaway line, so it didn't fall into "fan service" territory, but it acknowledges the novelization of ANH, where Lucas began it with an excerpt from "The Journal of the Whills". Tremendous little nugget.
Other cameos and callbacks to the OT were great. You could tell Tarkin was CGI, but it was so well done that it wasn't an issue. Contrary to that, he was a definite bright spot. Same with Leia at the end. Her scene literally choked me up, and I had a hard time holding back a tear, which proved to me the emotional impact this film did have on me. The inclusion of Dr. Evazan and Walrusman (I refuse to call him by his EU name) was a smart touch, being a cameo that was fan service, yet made sense in the context they were used. The various droids and a couple of aliens were used as background characters the way Lucas would insert Jawas into Jabba's Palace, Bib Fortuna at the Boonta Eve podrace, or various droids popping up in several scenes in the background of the entire Lucas-helmed films.
Unfortunately, not all the cameos were good. While I had a fanboy jump for joy at seeing R2 & 3PO, it was an awkward cameo that was completely out of place. It would have made more sense for them to be seen on board the Tantive IV, as we all know they were on the ship with Leia after obtaining the DS plans. If they were just seen walking down a corridor on the ship, it would have been perfect, and completely tied in to ANH.
Also, using another Mon Calamari with Ackbar's voice and Admiral rank was something I was not a fan of. While I didn't have any problems with the character's role in the film, the species, his home ship, his rank, and all the other little things were right in line with my main issue with TFA, being a complete copycat of an OT character. Thankfully, that was really the only thing of note I saw that was an OT clone outside of what absolutely needed to be.
I was concerned K-2 was going to be a 3PO clone, the way BB-8 was an R2 clone, but aside from some corny 3PO-like lines, he actually had a distinct purpose besides comic relief. I was not a fan at first, but by the the time he had his last scene, he won me over and I felt for his end. I do have a minor issue with these Imperial Droids being so prominent in this movie, yet were absent aboard the Death Star in ANH. Minor issue though. The same issue popped up with the U-Wing and some of the TIE designs, but again, not a big deal.
I am blanking on names, but I'm not sure about the guardian of the Whills and his bodyguard. Overall, I liked their dynamic, even if the bodyguard did seem to be put in a Chewbacca-like role of sidekick. The line "Really? But I'm blind!" had me laughing harder than all the attempted humor in TFA combined. THAT is how you script a sarcastic line when faced against an enemy, not this "so who speaks first" gibberish. Also, in that fight between the rebels, the Imperials, and assassins/terrorists, I SWEAR I saw a wampa being led by one group on a leash. It was quick, but it was definitely a hairy white beast. The only thing I didn't like was that he was not a Jedi, therefore unable to control the Force, but did that walk against enemy fire to pull the switch that enabled transmission of the DS plans. It just didn't feel right.
Vader was terrific. I liked the consistency, by using a bacta tank straight out of ESB to heal his wounds. He had a Force choke, James Earl Jones was almost indistinguishable from 35 years ago in providing his voice, and his attack at the end was pure eye candy.
Mon Mothma was terrific. A lighter role, but they really showed how she had to follow the will of the Rebellion as a whole, but was secretly overjoyed at the "rogue" attack.
I have heard many complaints about the score. I thought it was perfect. It recalled several important John Williams themes when necessary (the Imperial March, and the epic piece used when Luke was looking at Tatooine's twin suns in particular), but also had several excellent original pieces, especially in action scenes.
The sound and special effects were amazing. So many little sounds from the OT used to perfection here. The AT-ST was a better scene to me than the AT-AT's. They perfectly integrated state of the art visual effects with nearly 40 year old effects like the look of the DS plans. Incorporating lines and images from Red Leader and Gold Leader were strokes of genius. Red 5 blew up, which was a nice way of explaining how the call sign was available for Luke later on. But really, the CGI Tarkin and Leia. Just wow. Not 100% perfect, but I have never witnessed a more photorealistic CGI human onscreen before, and not only did they pull it off, they made Tarkin into a major character! I'm biased, but that should win them an Academy Award for visual effects alone.
Then we have the plot. Yeah, like the Titanic, we all knew how it would end, since obviously the DS plans were a major component of the plot in ANH. However, instead of giving us a generic good vs bad, with an eventual win by the good guys, we got a story that not only went off in several unpredictable ways, but it even covered one of the very few plot holes in ANH. Many have asked over the years why the Empire wouldn't know of a weakness in the Death Star's structure. Well, now we know, if was an architect who designed the DS against his will, so he put the thermal exhaust port in there on purpose to give the Rebellion a chance. Unlike most revisionist ideas in prequels, this one made a TON of sense, and answered that existing plot hole in a very satisfying manner. I am also a MAJOR fan of using the first half of the movie to develop characters and the plot with minimal action scenes, and build to that final amazing action sequence. ANH and ROTJ did that exceptionally well (ESB isn't included because the best action scene of that movie happened in the first half), and this movie followed that template to perfection.
Yes, this movie has made me fall in love with Star Wars again, after a couple of years of increasing disenchantment. Can't say I have changed my opinion of Disney yet, as they are a very definite 1-1 so far for me, so here's to hoping TFA was the exception as a bad Disney SW movie, and not Rogue One being an exception as a good Disney SW film. An absolute 9.5/10 from me.
Oh, I do think they mixed up titles with that DC Comics summer hit too. That movie was filled with a "Rogue's" gallery of villains, while this movie was absolutely deserving of the title "Suicide Squad".
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Re: Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by cantina_patron Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:37 am
Great review of Rogue One Ian. You've pretty well summed up my feelings too. Although the 'white hairy creature' is not what you think it is. (there is a twin figure pack available that identifies it).
(there is a twin figure pack available that identifies it).
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Re: Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by Sturm86 Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:24 pm
Great review Ian!
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- Like you I felt the R2 and C-3PO cameo was a little "forced" and it would have felt more natural to have then running in the Tantive with the others Rebels escaping Vader. But that's pretty much the only moment I felt was (only slightly) out of place. It's still great to have them here, as they stay the only characters into every SW film. I didn't see the end credits completely but I hope it's Anthony Daniels and Kenny Baker. Having Kenny here for the last time in a SW film would be wonderful.
I've read a lot of people complaining about CGI characters being awful and "cartoony", but I've found them amazing. When Tarkin first appeared in the film I was sure they would only show him from behind, and all we'd see would be his reflection on the window, but giving him such an important part is totally awesome.
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Re: Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by Ian_C Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:14 pm
Exactly Nicolas.
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- The CGI wasn't perfect. You could tell Tarkin wasn't 'quite' real. But the effect was so stunning, it was barely noticeable to me. I guess to some people, they're nitpicking this like I did last year with TFA, lol.
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Re: Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by Nico Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:59 pm
Thanks for putting the spoiler thing in guys 
I won't be going to see it until next week 
I won't be going to see it until next week 
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Re: Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by Sturm86 Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:32 pm
4 viewings so far, I think that will be it unless my local theater has the original english version with french subtitles like they did with TFA last year. Then I would really have to go at least once just to have James Earl Jones' Vader voice! 
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Re: Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by hellhippie Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:41 am
so I have to say ive hated "new star wars " anything for years . never saw episodes 2 or 3 or whatever came out last year but I just saw this yesterday my annoying friend has been bugging me for ever to see this ..
WOW it was awesome , the plot , the characters the whole thing ... ill be going to see this in theaters this week . I cannot believe how good this movie was , I cant wait for more !!!! awesome
WOW it was awesome , the plot , the characters the whole thing ... ill be going to see this in theaters this week . I cannot believe how good this movie was , I cant wait for more !!!! awesome
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by Ian_C Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:41 am
Agreed Bill!
I was beyond upset with how the franchise was being handled the last decade, but this movie really redeemed a lot for me. Looks like I'll be an "every other year" fan. Rey and the rest of the "new" sequels can kiss my ass, but I'll give the spin offs a chance. If Han Solo is half as good as Rogue One, it'll still be far better than TFA.
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I was beyond upset with how the franchise was being handled the last decade, but this movie really redeemed a lot for me. Looks like I'll be an "every other year" fan. Rey and the rest of the "new" sequels can kiss my ass, but I'll give the spin offs a chance. If Han Solo is half as good as Rogue One, it'll still be far better than TFA.
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Re: Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by hellhippie Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:38 pm
Ian funny you put it like that , that's what I said to my friend , im an every other year fan ..... 
I cant wait to own it as well
I cant wait to own it as well
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Re: Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by the89thchris Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:47 am
Rogue One didn't have that many "oh give me a fucking break!" moments like TFA did, (Rey using the Jedi mind trick, the 2d puzzle map, the earth splitting between people conveniently).
The only one that really bothered me is when Jyn was as telling Krenic the whole plan before the data was transmitted. I was like "calm down" lol
The only one that really bothered me is when Jyn was as telling Krenic the whole plan before the data was transmitted. I was like "calm down" lol
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by hellhippie Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:22 pm
Nothing about rogue one bothered me .. never saw tfa never will
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by the89thchris Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:27 pm
Bold lol does that mean you're out for episode 8 too?
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by hellhippie Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:43 pm
Ive never seen any of the other mivies besdies the ot and episode 1 3x the day it came out in the theatres. The new franchise sucks to me all of it but rogue one was different . It was interesting fun and dark with great characters and plot , something i never thought it could be
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by Ian_C Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:53 pm
I'm undecided on 8 as well. I swore I wouldn't see 7, but the kids dragged me to it. I'm sure they'll try again this year, but after simply having a bad attitude towards 7, this time being a sequel to TFA, I simply have zero interest. It may just be the first live action SW movie I'll never see at the theater (never saw The Clone Wars cartoon at the theater either, but that hardly counts).
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by the89thchris Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:40 pm
JJ Abrams and a lot of the creatives/writers on lost specialize in content for the lowest common denominator, but then again Kennedy/Disney has final approval. Might be better this time lol
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Re: Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by Ian_C Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:57 am
If you had known me the last few years, Chris, you'd know it was Disney's involvement, not JJ's, that had me very critical and not wanting to see it.
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Re: Anyone else see Rogue One yet?
by Sturm86 Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:53 am
Ian_C wrote:I'm undecided on 8 as well. I swore I wouldn't see 7, but the kids dragged me to it. I'm sure they'll try again this year, but after simply having a bad attitude towards 7, this time being a sequel to TFA, I simply have zero interest. It may just be the first live action SW movie I'll never see at the theater (never saw The Clone Wars cartoon at the theater either, but that hardly counts).
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I enjoyed TFA last years. Just enjoyed, but nothing much. It was pleasant and "nice" for me, but nothing more. The thing is now Rogue One really makes TFA look and feel wrong (and even lame for some part of the movie). I watched TFA again last week, after 7 total viewings of Rogue One... and TFA really "struggles" compared with Rogue One. Not only with the scenario or characters (damn, the more I watch this movie the more Kylo Ren seems ridiculous) but also aesthetically. The new Stormtroopers look feels wrong, the new ships bring nothing new or interesting... The soundtrack as well, I was disapointed with John Williams work for TFA. I can only remember 2 tracks from it eventhough I got the CD. But Rogue One OST really nailed it (not to mention I already liked Micheal Giacchino's work on the soundtracks of Medal Of Honor videogames). I think that's the risk Disney was taking with spin-off movies every 2 years : spin-offs being better than the main SW sequel story episodes . And well, it happened with the very first spin-off who puts the first sequel episode down and make it look out of place. This must have put a lot more pressure on Lucasflim's shoulder for episode 8. I will go watch it, but I already know I won't be as much excited as I was for Rogue One.
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